Fellow POW’s say John McCain Was a Coward and a Traitor in Viet Nam.
I remember some weeks ago John McCain was having a cow that the NY Times was going to print an article and a battle ensued. No mention was ever made as to why McCain was actually begging and threatening the NY Times over this article. No further mention as been made about this article and I wonder if this bitter fight that took place according to the editor of the NY Times wasn’t because of the information contained in the video’s below.
John McCain has stood in the way of many a family, loved one and groups from getting our MIA’s and POW’s back. Even though they have more enough proof that there were over a 100 POW’s that were still being held and sent to other country’s. These groups and families point out that John McCain himself is stopping them from getting our fellow countrymen home.
Why?
Fellow POW’s are sure the reason is he was a coward and a traitor as a POW in Viet Nam and it would ruin his political career if this were ever to find its way to the main stream media. They have put together eye witness accounts that describe McCain’s traitorous actions during his time as a prisoner in Viet Nam by his fellow prisoners. Former Senators, Governors 
and political records flat out nail John McCain as a scared little man on the run from a history of lies and deceit.
More Links to John McCain:
John McCain Suicide attempt
The Mythical John McCain
This would explain a lot about John McCain’s behavior. His “leave no one behind” war cry seems very empty.
Brought to you by the people who smeared John Kerry. This is so sad…
After being periodically slapped around for “three or four days” by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, “O.K., I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.” -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
What ???? did you even watch these videos???? — These “people” are Senators, Governors and Political documents that verify this. There definitely NOT the crew that “smeared” Kerry, IF that was a smear at all. The information presented against McCain is not even similar to Kerry’s military arguments. This is quantifiable information much like the Bush military record, where you can actually see and talk to high level authority that HAVE confirmed the information. I mean why would you make a statement like that without looking at who’s making the claims. The only other person to do so is a big time McCain supporter that is trying hard to cover up McCains indiscretions by making invalid statements without anything to back it up except their chocolate blog (thats a smear by the way). They ONLY thing sad about this is McCain lies. Did you happen to watch the video with CNN? Here let me link it to you so you can see for yourself in person real time what John McCain is about ok?
http://polidics.com/iraq-war/is-john-mccain-sane.html
How can you believe this guy for any reason? In his own words he flat out lies to America on the news and in real time CNN just BLAST him for being either mentally retarded or a Liar and I so agree. I think John McCain was captured and as a result of either the crash and or being tortured he cracked under pressure and the ONLY reason that he is trying to keep the families and government from addressing the POW issues is because everyone would know beyond a doubt McCain crack in Viet Nam. It seems that a lot of other people agree with this summary. I mean seriously, were NOT talking about a select few people in the media or McCain protesters, no, it’s MANY senators, Governors, former POW’s and POW families have told this story. Talk about conspiracy theories, this one would take the cake for all these people to collaborate against John McCain and for what reason? I mean none of it makes sense unless you take in to account that McCain is indeed hiding something. We still haven’t heard what the NY Times was going to print? Anyone out there know and care to share? So far they have told McCain that they would hold the story until after the election? holy shit — thanks a million NY Times…
It’s funny (strange/sad), we (all, well almost all, well a certain number of us,)….that we continue to seek the ulcerated skin and keep picking at the scabs, slinging accusations like so many antibiotics; allowing the infection to change, adjust, morph, and realign to counter act the slinging.
What’s that axiom? definition of insanity: One who continually performs the same action over and over and expects a different outcome from those actions…… or something like that.
Point being: Ah yes, it is exciting to point out those sores and it is time consuming focusing on and addressing those sores; but where the hell are those sores coming from…. what’s the origin?
We only need to go back a little over 200 years ago. Check out a thing called the Constitution which was subverted into reality in the late 1780’s by a minority group of revolutionary dissidents, wanting to control the wealth (sic read: destruction) of the land and coercive control of a population.
It worked! And is functioning quite well to this moment.
Might be a time for a re-definition, a re-evaluation of our existing model of reality…. our cultural paradigm.
This may be accomplished by open thinking, honest critique (given/received) and an acknowledgment of life’s true values: Air, Water, Food, Social Validity. The value system currently in place is based on arbitrarily contrived worth……. the value of scarcity.,
So, when do we start the real exercise? Identifying values which transcend all borders, religions, ethnicity, physical geography, and any of the other 1000’s of labels contrived to divide us from ourselves.,,, Define value….like air-water-food-social validity and then base one’s thoughts, choices, intentions and how these will impact that which we have agreed to as valuable….that which allows us to “make and do things’.
Trying to figure… pointing out those sores… is just too much bs, a smoke screen obscuring the real issues at hand…. identifying and defining value…….otherwise we end up with sensual overload and eventually submit to the protective layer of pandemonium layed by those who would gain “wealth” from this existing system.
Can we take control of mind, spirit, body, emotion…… of just one person: one’s self?
Start with self and expand to associate….to attract others similarly identifying, defining and agreeing to shared value(s) and developing actions according to those values.
And let the “being” begin. Let the human creative flow. Cuz, in all my travels around this place, when I encountered people with nice living geography, who had adequate supply of food, water and some nice air to breath…… and dynamic social interaction…. each granting validity of the other….,, well, people are really friendly and caring…, it is when effective control, through the politics of scarcity, rears it’s greedy perspective that the unrest and strife increases.
this system…. this paradigm…. it was conceived in lies, secrecy and greed…. the only advances in civil liberties have been in spite of the Constitution….. not because of it…..
IT IS TIME FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION….a complete overhaul.,,,,, with millions and millions of ideas about what should, could, might be served up as a cultural reality.
The Constitution was the antibiotic for the sores of the time it was created in and I think Bush is doing your overhaul of the constitution as we speak, I don’t see how taking away civil liberties is helping anything in the universe. The more you change the constitution the more quickly we will have a fascist state and chaos. Without the constitution the Government will control you personally. I don’t think it’s an overhaul of the constitution we need but more of a overhaul of the political system that is needed.
If you watched the video, you saw for yourself the contempt Kerry and McCain had for these former POW’s and family members of MIA’s. Kerry had financial gain at stake, but what about McCain?
Why did he fight to bury this issue so aggressively, even labeling the activists as vultures and parasites?
Was it because of the 35 audiotapes Hanoi has in their possession that could derail his presidential hopes and shatter his war hero myth? 35 tapes, my he was a chatty POW, wasn’t he? The Rolling Stones don’t have a catalog that big!
Maybe they’ll be released as a box-set one day. Or posted on You-Tube if McCain refuses to do Hanoi’s bidding as he did with the POW/MIA issue. Killing it allowed Vietnam to open normal trade relations with the US.
He’d be the first President to have given aid and comfort to the enemy during a war. And Hanoi has him by the balls.
What if Hanoi were to pull his leash again on behalf of China if he got elected President? Military secrets could be lost, as they were with Clinton’s satellite launching program with China.
We hired a country with a failed rocket program to launch our communication satellites. The rockets failed and exploded. Then we sent over experts to show them what they were doing wrong with their rockets. That technology was transferred to their missile program. And now they used it on their ICBM, which were incapable of hitting the US before.
Right on Rob ….
All you have to do is put forth the smallest amount of investigation to know WTC 7 was imploded. Giuliani knew those building were coming down. Marvin Bush and cousin Wilt Walker III were head of security of the WTC. C’mon. Giuliani just gave McCain the endorsement. Of all politicians, McCain is the biggest cheerleader for the war. This is big money and big power kiddies. They are all in on it together. Not a conspiracy theory. Just open your eyes. McCain is a horrid person, and our next president. If elections mattered we wouldn’t have W. in the white house. Think about it. Just so happens Kerry was Skull & Bones. Hmmm, interesting.
The video is really impressive. These are the most credible people, not just in the positions they have held, or held then, but in their measured, reasonable manner, their ability to articulate the questions. These are not people who are out to get even or smear anyone; they are looking for an injustice to be remedied, and as yet, it hasn’t been.
The claims of the former POWs are consistent with the suspicions that fmr. Senator Dennis DeConcini holds about McCain being the source of the leaks to the press, regarding the Keating Five scandal. If you leak once, you probably will leak again, if you are trying to protect your own interests. He appears to have been doing just that in the first case, and unquestionably had things to cover in the second case.
I feel the same way. It’s not just McCain “haters” it’s people that have dealt with McCain over the years and have privy to information that the media refuses to show for some reason…
There is obviously a reason for what McCain did. Such digging in of the heels always has a motive. And people perform according to pattern. Just like he (apparently) leaked to the media in the Keating Five case, it appears he “leaked” to his captors at Hanoi.
Veterans and their families may be pleased to see that coverage is expanding on this question. Check out http;//iperceive.net.
As a former Marine from the Vietnam era I find this information concerning John McCain’s blocking any attempt to track down our missing soldiers very unpatriotic. People forget that his father ran all military operations in Vietnam. This certainly looks like his life in politics was ill gained at the expense of his fellow soldiers and sadly their families too.
This should come out on National TV, so that we don’t have another pretender for the presidency.
Sincerely, A saddened former Marine.
Welcome James,
We appreciate your comments and personally I can tell you I lost a brother in Viet Nam and I’m not at all happy about McCain’s road blocks to the truth. I also happen to think McCain is not worthy of leading this country.
Well first you have to look at the facts on Kerry.He was from a family like Joe Kennedy who planned his career up to the White House.Don’t you plan your vacations in advance so you have a good one.If I could get to Viet Nam knowing my family could get me out if I couldn’t control my hero building, I would go too.We laughed when Kerry spent 4 months, most of which was sipping beers at base camp in friendly territory.He picked his missions,picked his injuries,wrote his “after action reports,gave himself,with the help of others on his shirt tails, three purple hearts and went back to Washington as a decorated vet and opposer of the war.He knew the movement against the war was growing and the polls and hippie inside info he was getting told him to be a political lightning rod as a anti war man.You notice he supported and still supports the Iraq war which has gone on for 5 years.Don’t want to bring those boys and girls home does he?Same boys and girls he fought to bring home from Viet Nam but no political gain now.We used tell him he was “tripping out” and he said all he did was a doobie once in a while.We meant “Three Purple Hearts” and you get to transfer home to a duty station of your own.All Kerry should get is The Medal Of Honor for being a phoney.I remember us telling him not to fire the 50 cal.(it wasn’t secured to the mount) until we trained him and he did anyway.Knocked it into the water along with himself.Just a rich boy idiot!!!!!!!!!
You have the Clintonistas or a Black Man who is moving into a Political arena he can’t really manage and is bound to fail, with an administration as bad as the City of Detroit’s. or Wacko McCain.I think I’ll stay home.
John McCain Is No “Hero POW”
He was a survivor
John McCain seriously violated the Military Code of Conduct by trading “military information” and making numerous public statements that appeared favorable to the communist war effort in exchange for “special treatment.”
The Code: Consisting of six articles in simple language, the United States Military Code of Conduct orders American military personnel to resist capture at all cost and if captured; to attempt to escape, to give the enemy no information other than name, rank, serial number and date of birth, to take charge if senior, to obey orders of the seniors, to accept no favors from the enemy and to make no written or oral statements disloyal to the United States.
In the original writing, the Code was declared the definitive code specifying the responsibilities of American military personnel while in combat or captivity.
The Code holds U.S. prisoners of war responsible to protect–at whatever cost–the cause for which the United States stands by continuing to carry on some form of resistance with the enemy. The establishment of the Code of Conduct was the result of what was considered in 1955 an embarrassing high number of U.S. servicemen held prisoner during the Korean War who apparently did little to resist collaborating with the enemy.
According to a Congressional Research Service Report (CRS), one out of every three American prisoners of the North Koreans and Chinese collaborated. The degree of collaboration ranged from such serious offenses as actually siding with the enemy to the relatively insignificant offense of broadcasting Christmas greetings home and therefore putting the communists in favorable light.
Although collaborating with the enemy is nothing new, there were a number of examples of it during WWII, its ramifications caused considerable damage to the morale and survival of U.S. POWs during the Korean War and later the Vietnam War.
The Korean War marked a new dimension in the relationship between U.S. servicemen taken prisoner and their captors. For the first time, U.S. prisoners of war were viewed by an enemy as more than soldiers from the other side temporarily restrained from conducting war. It was the first war fought by the United States against an enemy whose pathological desire to control the minds of U.S. prisoners extended the war into the POW camps.
North Korean and Chinese communists were not hesitant to use brutal and bloody torture as gruesome tools in their efforts to exploit U.S. prisoners of war into making public statements that appeared favorable to the communist war effort.
Communist interrogators also sought to further control their prisoners by manipulating them into looking to the detaining authorities as a source of leadership, thereby breaking down the leadership and internal discipline within the POW population.
In previous wars, prisoners were subjected to some inhumane and brutal treatment, but the enemy did not take it upon itself to tear down the chain of command within the prisoner ranks.
When the communists succeeded, a condition of distrust among the prisoners became the norm rather than the exception. Morale dropped and mutual assistance among the prisoners lessened.Chaos followed and the failure of the POWs to care for their fellow prisoners resulted in a higher death rate and made the captives more amenable to accept the doctrine of their captors.
Very few American servicemen were mentally prepared to protect themselves from such barbaric treatment and intense indoctrination attempts.
Through inhumane treatment and manipulation, many prisoners were forced to collaborate with the communists. Twenty-one chose to remain in China, refusing repatriation.
After the termination of the hostilities in Korea and the subsequent release of American prisoners of war, many former U.S. prisoners were criminally charged and tried for offenses that “amounted to treason, desertion to the enemy, mistreatment of fellow prisoners of war, and similar crimes.”
The emotions and compassion of the public were aroused, as graphic details of the inhumane treatment of U.S. POWs in communist prison camps surfaced during the trials. Public discussion caused intense arguments over what should have been done about Americans who were “brainwashed” in Korea and what to do about those in future wars who may be the recipients of similar bloody treatment.
On August 7, 1954, the Secretary of Defense directed that a committee be formed to recommend a suitable approach for conducting a comprehensive study of the problems related to the entire Korean War POW experience. The work of that committee resulted in the May 17, 1955 appointment of the Defense Advisory Committee on Prisoners of War, headed by Carter L. Burgess, assistant secretary of defense for Manpower and Personnel.
The committee took heed of the ongoing divisive debate, noting that while all services had regulations governing the conduct of prisoners of war, “the United States armed forces have never had a clearly defined code of conduct applicable to American prisoners after capture.”
Claiming the new code had been hammered out of “home-forged” American principles with no room for turncoats–prisoners who declare their allegiance to the enemy–the committee conceded that the Code did, however, allow special consideration for those who yield only under torture.
A Presidential commission was appointed after the Vietnam War, in 1976, to reevaluate the code of 1955. After a study, the commission recommended a subtle revision to Article V which, in its original form, stated: When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am bound to only give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
President Carter ordered the revision in 1977. The word “bound” was changed to “required” and the word “only” was deleted.
John McCain’s Collaborations:
During his 23rd mission over Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, Lt. Commander John McCain was shot down by a surface-to-air missile.
To relate the event, McCain later recalled that he was “flying right over the heart of Hanoi in a dive at about 4,500 feet, when a Russian missile the size of a telephone pole came up–the sky was full of them–and blew the right wing off my Skyhawk dive bomber. It went into an inverted, almost straight-down spin. -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
“I pulled the ejection handle, and was knocked unconscious by the force of the ejection–the air speed was about 500 knots. I didn’t realize it at the moment, but I had broken my right leg around the knee, my right arm in three places and my left arm. I regained consciousness just before I landed by parachute in a lake right in the center of Hanoi, one they called the Western Lake. My helmet and my oxygen mask had been blown off. “I hit the water and sank to the bottom . . . I did not feel any pain at the time, and I was able to rise to the surface. I took a breath of air and started sinking again.” -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
After bobbing up and down, he was eventually pulled from the water by Vietnamese who had swam out to get him.
A mob gathered on shore and McCain was bayoneted in the foot and his shoulder was smashed with a rifle butt. He was put on a truck and taken to Hanoi’s main prison.
After being periodically slapped around for “three or four days” by his captors who wanted military information from him, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, “O.K., I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.” -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
McCain was taken to Gai Lam military hospital normally unavailable to American POWS. (U.S. government documents)
“Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship’s name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant.” Page 193-194, Faith of My Fathers by John McCain.
Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press began quoting him giving specific military information.
One report dated read, “To a question of the correspondent, McCain answered: ‘My assignment to the Oriskany, I told myself, was due to serious losses in pilots, which were sustained by this aircraft carrier (due to its raids on the North Vietnam territory - VNA) and which necessitated replacements. From 10 to 12 pilots were transferred like me from the Forrestal to the Oriskany. Before I was shot down, we had made several sorties. Altogether, I made about 23 flights over North Vietnam.’”
In that report, McCain was quoted describing the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place.
Through the Freedom of Information Act, the U.S. Veteran Dispatch acquired a declassified Department of Defense (DOD) transcript of an interview prominent French television reporter Francois Chalais had with McCain.
Chalais told of his private interview with POW McCain in a series titled Life in Hanoi, which was aired in Europe. In the series, Chalais said his meeting with McCain was “a meeting which will leave its mark on my life.”
“My meeting with John Sidney McCain was certainly one of those meetings which will affect me most profoundly for the rest of my life. I had asked the North Vietnamese authorities to allow me to personally interrogate an American prisoner. They authorized me to do so. When night fell, they took me—without any precautions or mystery–to a hospital near the Gia Lam airport reserved for the [North Vietnamese] military. (passage omitted) The officer who receives me begins: I ask you not to ask any questions of political nature. If this man replies in a way unfavorable to us, they will not hesitate to speak of ‘brainwashing’ and conclude that we threatened him.
“‘This John Sidney McCain is not an ordinary prisoner. His father is none other than Admiral Edmond John McCain, commander in chief of U.S. naval forces in Europe. (passage omitted)’”
“. . . Many visitors came to talk to me [John McCain]. Not all of it was for interrogation. Once a famous North Vietnamese writer-an old man with a Ho Chi Minh beard-came to my room, wanting to know all about Ernest Hemingway . . . Others came to find out about life in the United States. They figured because my father had such high military rank that I was of the royalty or governing circle . . . One of the men who came to see me, whose picture I recognized later, was Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap, the hero of Dienbienphu.” U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
Vietnamese doctors operate (early December 1967) on McCain’s Leg. Later that month, six weeks after he was shot down, McCain was taken from the hospital and delivered to a POW camp, Room No. 11 in “The Plantation” and into the hands of two other U.S. POWs, Air Force majors George “Bud” Day and Norris Overly. They helped further nurse him along until he was eventually able to walk by himself. –Faith of My Fathers by John McCain
McCain, Day and Overly, were relocated (early January 1968) to “another end of the camp, a place we called ‘the Corn Crib.’” A group of “obviously senior” Communist Party members visited and talked with McCain. –Faith of My Fathers by John McCain
Overly was offered and he accepted early release. He was released February 16. –Faith of My Fathers by John McCain
Overly was released with David Matheny and John Black. “They were the first three POW’s to be released by the North Vietnamese.” U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
In March, Day was “relocated” to another cell.–Faith of My Fathers by John McCain. A month later, McCain was “moved into another building, the largest cell block in the camp, ‘the Warehouse.’” Day was moved to another prison (the Zoo). McCain began solitary confinement.–Faith of My Fathers by John McCain
For nearly two years, McCain’s communist handlers kept him isolated from other U.S. prisoners. Because they considered him a “special prisoner,” McCain became the target of intense indoctrination and psychological programs the communists had perfected during the Korean War.
The communists were very much aware that POW McCain would be under great psychological pressure not to do or say anything that would tarnish his famous military family and they considered that to be the key to eventually breaking and then “turning” him. McCain’s handlers kept meticulous records of his behavior, including his personal strengths, weaknesses and any special favors he may have accepted while under the pressure of isolation.
McCain’s interrogators considered him a “special prisoner.” They believed that because he came from a “royal family,” he would, when finally released, return to the United States to some important military or government job.
Because he was kept isolated from other U.S. prisoners during these years of captivity, no one, except McCain and his captors, know exactly to what he was subjected or how he responded. Most information in the public record detailing McCain’s experience with the North Vietnamese during this time frame came from McCain and McCain only.
“In May of 1968, I [McCain] was interviewed by two North Vietnamese generals at separate times.” U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
McCain claimed (page 133 of The Nightingale’s Song, by Robert Timberg) that he was first offered early release (parole) in late June, 1968. He said that after months of interrogation he was “summoned” to a room that had soft chairs and a glass table on which were “cookies, a pot of tea, and cigarettes.”
He said “Major Bai, known to the prisoners as the Cat,” was waiting for him. He said “a second Vietnamese known as the Rabbit, stood by to serve as translator.”
McCain said that as he “helped himself” to the cookies, tea and cigarettes, the Cat began speaking through the translator. He said they talked about “his father, other members of his family, the war.” McCain said that after about two of talk, the Cat asked him if he wanted to be released. The Cat, according to McCain, told him to go back to his cell and think about it.–The Nightingale’s Song.
McCain said that three nights later the Cat sent for him and again asked him if he wanted to go home. McCain said he answered No. –The Nightingale’s Song
A week later, according to McCain, he was taken to a room in which the camp commander, who the prisoners had nicknamed Slopehead, was waiting. McCain said ten guards and an interrogator nicked named The Prick was also in the room. –The Nightingale’s Song
McCain said the guards charged into him beating and kicking him until he ‘lay on the floor, bloody, arms and legs throbbing, ribs cracked, several teeth broken off at the gumline.” The Vietnamese, according to McCain, wanted him to confess to being a “black criminal.” –The Nightingale’s Song
McCain said he was next introduced for the first time to the “torture ropes.” He said the torture went on for several days before he broke and agreed to write and sign a confession that he was a “black criminal.” McCain said that he was moved to another building away from the other POWs. –The Nightingale’s Song
McCain said (page 136) that he was so distraught because he had signed the statement that he attempted suicide but was stopped when a guard burst into the room. –The Nightingale’s Song
In August 1968, other POWs learned for the first time that John McCain had been taken prisoner (page 137) after Charlie Plumb and Kay Russell figured out that the “mystery” prisoner in a neighboring cell is McCain. –The Nightingale’s Song
A September 13, 1968, cable from Averell Harriman, U.S. ambassador-at-large, to the State Department confirmed that McCain’s captors had offered him early release, but that he had refused. The cable reported that, according to the Vietnamese, “Commander McCain feared that if he was released before the war is over, President [Lyndon] Johnson might ’cause difficulties’ for his father because people will wonder if McCain had been brainwashed.” Harriman speculated that instead, McCain was abiding by the Code of Conduct.– The Phoenix New Times March 25, 1999
June 1969 - “Reds Say PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral. . . Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner.” New York Daily News, June 5, 1969
“The English-Language broadcast beamed at South Vietnam was one of a series using American prisoners. It was in response to a plea by Defense Secretary Melvin S. Laird, May 19, that North Vietnam treat prisoners according to the humanitarian standards set forth by the Geneva Convention.” The Washington Post
In December, McCain was moved out of “The Plantation” and into a “one man cell” in the “Hanoi Hilton.”. On Christmas Eve, McCain chatted with the Cat. They talked about McCain refusing early release. –The Nightingale’s Song
“There was pressure to see American antiwar delegations, which seemed to increase as the time went on. But, there wasn’t any torture.
In January 1970, I [McCain] was taken to a quiz with ‘The Cat.’ He told me that he wanted me to see a foreign guest.” U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
A declassified DOD document reports an interview between POW McCain and Dr. Fernando Barral, a Spanish psychiatrist who was living in Cuba at the time. The interview was published in the Havana Granma in January 1970.
According to the DOD report, the meeting between Barral and McCain (which was photographed by the Vietnamese) took place away from the prison at the office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in Hanoi. During the meeting, POW McCain sipped coffee and ate oranges and cakes with his interrogator.
While talking with Barral, McCain seriously violated the military Code of Conduct by failing to evade answering questions “to the utmost” of his ability when he, according to the DOD report, helped Barral by answering questions in Spanish, a language McCain had learned in school.
1973 - McCain was released from the Hilton on March 15, 1973.
Two Former POWs Say They Doubt McCain Was Physically Abused
1999 - March 25, 1999, The Phoenix New Times: Ted Guy and Gordon “Swede” Larson, two former POWs, who were McCain’s senior ranking officers (SRO’s), at the time McCain says he was tortured in solitary confinement, told the New Times that while they could not guarantee that McCain was not physically harmed, they doubted it.
“Between the two of us, it’s our belief, and to the best of our knowledge, that no prisoner was beaten or harmed physically in that camp [known as "The Plantation"],” Larson says. “. . . My only contention with the McCain deal is that while he was at The Plantation, to the best of my knowledge and Ted’s knowledge, he was not physically abused in any way. No one was in that camp. It was the camp that people were released from.”
In 1993, during one of his many trips back to Hanoi, McCain asked the Vietnamese not to make public the records they hold pertaining to returned U.S. POWs.
I was asked to perform on the campaign trail for Kerry and refused.I have been asked to perform for the Clintons and Obama and I have declined.I entertain people, I don’t deceive them.
Nate Jaeger (STILETTO)
http://www.natejaeger.com
Former Viet Nam Vet,Scout Sniper,USMC
Thanks Nate .. good stuff. I really think McCain is unfit to ‘rule’…
All I can say is . . . WOW! My questions are: (1) why is this only getting attention now, and (2) why hasn’t the “main stream media” aired any of this stuff? The sources seem pretty reliable I must say.
This campaign is getting to be pretty fascinating. Boy, if this stuff circulates in the media like it should, the legend of John McCain is about to go down in flames.
Can anyone tell me the names of fellow Pow’s that can attest to these stories? I would like to speak with them.
TY
Yes Joehick,
If you are really interested you can start by going to the “vets against Mc Cain” web site. There’s also about 20 or so video’s at Youtube.com, not to mention you could always email the gentlemen in the video. Of course there’s always google if thats not too much work …
If you watched all the videos on Mc Cain they talked about a book, in that book are a ton of named and quoted references.
enjoy …
thank you for the info. I have begun talking to former POW’s and they seem to have a different take on this. As a RVN vet myself this is critical mass to me. I need to know the truth and will find it.
Thanks again,
JH
You bet Joe,
Let us know what you find. I’ll continue to post on this subject.
Here’s a couple more I’ve found:
The Mythical John Mc Cain and
John Mc Cain’s suicide attempt
i looked uu your web site because ther is no one in this world girlearliy girlearily that dislikes the whole polictic
process that we are induring aat this time as a matter of fact some of the 20000-2008 music has been written and sung forclueless mail order husbands. Thanks for this i’ll read it later I’m tired but tinker bell is always in the atmoshere
kinda goryyy
Michelle
Your blog post on “like father like son” traitor McCain is a sign that more people are waking up to see the monsters who are destroying America from within.
However…
The world is a very different place than what you have been programmed to believe. The citizens of America, the people of any country can be likened to small ocean krill tossed to and fro by the unstoppable waves of their corrupt governments.
Today Presidents, national governments, democracies, political parties, elections, Constitutions, international treaties, etc., are only empty promises used to instill (where there is none) a sense of personal power in people - that they exercise control over their leaders, their government’s affairs and their country’s future.
All governments today are ruled by an elite society of financiers hinged upon the central banking system and modeled after the Bank of London. At the top of the control pyramid sits the Rothschild families of France and England and their many front organizations.
The UN, the Trilateral Commission, the Council On Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg meetings, the criminal outpost Israel, etc., etc. are all but single pieces which define the control hierarchy of our modern world government. At the core of this mechanism is a time-tested, divide and conquer strategy.
In other words, this strategy creates disturbances in the fabric of societies (by whatever means) to fragment and separate the masses on all issues - pitting management against workers, race against race, religion against religion, etc. ad infinitum.
In the midst of this eternal drama, people are unable to come together in unity toward common goals, or in defense against their common enemy.
During the ensuing confusion and endless loop of debates, the control hierarchy is free to do as it wills, while the populace is guided and herded to think, believe and act in any way its master sees fit.
Our controllers’ leading weapons of choice are the channels of information dissemination - namely the media, the education systems, printing empires and political pundits.
While the many tend to blame one country, one government, or one political party over another for the world’s woes, little do they realize that forces acting in the shadows, unseen in the background are causing the problems then offering solutions to carefully orchestrate a desired outcome.
The people of any country are but pawns in a systematic game that’s been played out for thousands of years using the ignorance, superstition, ego and greed of men as the means to manipulate any population.
There are other common denominators at play, though the above is a general outline of your world’s governments.
From Iran, Russia, China and Australia, to America, England, Mexico, Cuba and Brazil - and all other countries on the planet, each are members, each have formed a special agreement with the others, each have carefully choreographed scripts to play out on the world stage.
We have become but cattle - allowed to graze within the perimeter fence - so long as we do not speak too loudly, or threaten to expose the grand deception.
In the end, the sum of mankind’s truths are an inherited series of falsehoods designed to keep you distracted from your true purpose, your true power - away from the interdependent singularity that connects us all.
# # #
[...] John McCain blocks investigation of missing POW’s and MIA’s to save his political career. | polidics… John McCain has stood in the way of many a family, loved one and groups from getting our MIA’s and POW’s back. Even though they have more enough proof that there were over a 100 POW’s that were still being held and sent to other country’s. These groups and families point out that John McCain himself is stopping them from getting our fellow countrymen home. Why? Fellow POW’s are sure the reason is he was a coward and a traitor as a POW in Viet Nam and it would ruin his political career if this were ever to find its way to the main stream media. They have put together eye witness accounts that describe McCain’s traitorous actions during his time as a prisoner in Viet Nam by his fellow prisoners. Former Senators, Governors and political records flat out nail John McCain as a scared little man on the run from a history of lies and deceit.There’s your hero… __________________ I’m Proud I never Voted For Bush! All Things Cynthia McKinney | The Courage to Lead [...]
It’s time to release allofthis stuff and let Senator McCain answer the tough questions.If he wants to lead,fess up and get the North Vietnamese to open all the documents and let the chips fall where they may.
[...] the records they hold pertaining to returned U.S. POWs. John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate John McCain blocks investigation of missing POW’s and MIA’s to save his political career. | polidics… __________________ Amendment IV, search and seizure rights. Read about them before they’re [...]
[...] asked the Vietnamese not to make public the records they hold pertaining to returned U.S. POWs. John McCain blocks investigation of missing POW’s and MIA’s to save his political career. | polidics… I looked up that item about 1993 and could only find references to it in talkbacks on blogs and [...]
I do not blame McCain at all for anything he said to the Communists. Who knows what I would have done under those circumstances. McCain did get to come home to his loved ones though. I do blame him for hiding information that could let other people find out about their loved ones just like McCain’s family got to find out about him. The heroic thing to do would be to sacrifice your reputation for the benefit of those who did not get to come home and their loved ones.
His fellow prisoners blame him sense they didn’t get special treatment like McCain did and they didn’t “rollover” like McCain did.
Also lets not forget that his father the senator pulled strings for him and he never flew anywhere near the same amount of missions the others did.
I blame him — for continuing the lie and then trying to hide it by denying other Americans access to important information to find their own MIA loved ones to bring home.
he actually BLOCKED them from doing that just so people wouldn’t find out about his treason. No friend McCain is a coward and a liar.
My comments will be few regarding these things being said about this man and his war record — I believe he did exactly as he himself told us, i.e., he gave military information for medical treatment because he was afraid he was going to die. He did it, no doubt about it, and I can understand it BUT I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HIM TO BE PRESIDENT AND THEREFORE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF OUR ARMED FORCES. We’re just about to finish up with something very similar — a deserter from the Air National Guard // and his right hand man (himself a five time deferment winner during the Vietnam era) which tells me it’s about time for the good ol’ USA to WAKE UP and stop making excuses for these sorts About time we elected someone truly loyal to our country in the driver’s seat — VOTE OBAMA 2008. My $.02
JB
MSgt, 26 years active duty U.S. Army retired, Vietnam Vet(66-67)
I tend to believe his cell mates and fellow officers in this matter since they were there with him the whole time.
I also tend to question someone that is so intent on keeping secrets especially when it’s his fellow prisoners missing in action that he’s hiding? Why?
No offense but I don’t think either one are worthy of running this country and neither one represent “real” change. Sadly were just heading further down the wrong path.
How can anyone say ehat happened in the POW camp? Why not do a study of Obamas history? I know that both men are poor excuses to be running for President. I am more worried, about Obamas hate church, and all his radical friends. God help our nation!!
Because William, the vets that served with him in the prison camp came back and told people about it.
It’s a matter of record now he sold America out. He made over 35 anti American propaganda while a prisoner.
Keating 5 is next on the list that is never ending. At this point I’m willing to say you have to be a fucking moron to vote for McCain.
Obama wont change anything either…